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  • 28. November 2003 um 16:48 #101 Antwort

    edwinmesser123
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    read the principia under:

    http://seti23.org/principia.html

    …
    INTRODUCTION
    You hold in your hands one the Great Books of our century fnord.
    Some Great Books are recognized at once with a fusilade of critical huzzahs and gonfolons, like Joyce’s ULYSSES. Others appear almost furtively and are only discovered 50 years later, like MOBY DICK or Mendel’s great essay on genetics. The PRINCIPIA DISCORDIA entered our space-time continuum almost as unobtrusively as a cat-burglar creeping over a windowsill.

    In 1968, virtually nobody had heard of this wonderful book. In 1970,hundreds of people coast to coast were talking about it and asking the identity of the mysterious author, Malaclypse the Younger. Rumors swept across the continent, from New York to Los Angeles, from Seattle to St. Joe. Malaclypse was actually Alan Watts, one heard. No,said another legend — the PRINCIPIA was actually the work of the Sufi Order. A third, very intriguing myth held that Malaclypse was a pen-name for Richard M. Nixon, who had allegedly composed the PRINCIPIA during a few moments of lucidity. I enjoyed each of these yarns and did my part to help spread them. I was also careful never to contradict the occasional rumors that I had actually written the whole thing myself during an acid trip.

    The legendry, the mystery, the cult grew slowly. By the mid-1970’s, thousands of people, some as far off as Hong Kong and Australia, were talking about the PRINCIPIA, and since the original was out of print by then, xerox copies were beginning to circulate here and there.

    When the ILLUMINATUS trilogy appeared in 1975, my co-author, Bob Shea, and I both received hundreds of letters from people intrigued by the quotes from the PRINCIPIA with which we had decorated the heads of several chapters. Many, who had already heard of the PRINCIPIA or seen copies, asked if Shea and I had written it, or if we had copies available. Others wrote to ask if it were real, or just something we had invented the way H.P. Lovecraft invented the NECRONOMICON. We answered according to our moods, sometimes telling the truth, sometimes spreading the most Godawful lies and myths we could devise fnord.

    Why not? We felt that this book was a true Classic (literatus immortalis) and, since the alleged intelligentsia had not yet discovered it, the best way to keep its legend alive was to encourage the mythology and the controversy about it. Increasingly, people wrote to ask me if Timothy Leary had written it, and I almost always told them he had, except on Fridays whem I am more whimsical, in which case I told them it had been transmitted by a canine intellgence — vast,cool,and unsympathic — from the Dog Star, Sirius.

    Now, at last, the truth can be told.

    Actually, the PRINCIPIA is the work of a time-travelling anthropologist from the 23rd Century. He is currently passing among us as a computer specialist, bon vivant and philosopher named Gregory Hill. He has also translated several volumes of Etruscan erotic poetry, under another pen-name, and in the 18th Century was the mysterious Man in Black who gave Jefferson the design for the Great Seal of the United States.

    I have it on good authority that he is one of the most accomplished time-travelers in the galaxy and has visited Earth many times in the past,using such cover-identities as Zeno of Elias, Emperor Norton, Count Cagliostro, Guilliame of Aquaitaine, etc. Whenever I question him about this, he grows very evasive and attempts to persuade me that he is actually just another 20th Century Earthman and that all my ideas about his extraterrrestrial and extratemporal origin and delusions. Hah! I am not that easily deceived. After all, a time-travelling anthropologist would say just that, so that he could observe us without his presense causing cultureshock.

    I understand that he has consented to write an Afterward to this edition. He’ll probably contradict everything I’ve told you, but don’t believe a word he says fnord. He is a master of the deadpan put-on, the plausible satire, the philosophical leg-pull and all the branches of guerilla ontology.

    For full benefit to the Head, this book should be read in conjunction with THE ILLUMINOIDS by Neal Wilgus (Sun Press, Albuquerque, NM) and ZEN WITHOUT ZEN MASTERS by Camden Benares (And/Or Press, Berkeley, California). „We are operating on many levels here“, as Ken Kesey used to say.

    In conclusion, there is no conclusion. Things go on as they always have, getting weirder all the time.

    Hail Eris. All hail Discordia. Fnord?

    Robert Anton Wilson International Arms and Hashish Inc. Darra Bazar, Kohat

    …

    read the principia under: http://seti23.org/principia.html

    3. Dezember 2003 um 19:48 #590 Antwort

    Anonym

    Auf jeden Fall ein produktiver Tripp den die da hatten.
    Ist nur die Frage ob das was dabei rausgekommen ist verwertbar bzw. nicht nur ein kubistischer Haufen von Gedanken-Splittern ist?

    Mir jedenfalls hat Nietsche in einem Absatz mehr Vermittelt als ich aus 7000 Zeichen des weis auf schwarz textes entnehmen kann.

    hoffe Du kannst besser zwischen den wirren metaphern und verschwörungsgedanken interessante impulse und ideen filtrieren und verwertbar herausarbeiten als ich das kann.

    Bin auf jedenfall schon gespannt wohin das führt, mit besten grüßen BZ

    3. Dezember 2003 um 21:27 #592 Antwort

    edwinmesser123
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    i understand your point. you are right that one paragraph of nietzsche can probably tell more than this text.

    actually thery are quoting nietzsche:
    „I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! – Nietzsche“

    i have read the principia discordia several times and found more interesting quotes and passages like:

    „There are trivial truths & there are great truths. The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true.“ – Neils Bohr

    IT IS MY FIRM BELIEF THAT IT IS A MISTAKE TO HOLD FIRM BELIEFS.

    „They were,“ She added, „victims of indigestion, you know.“

    „You will find that the State is the kind of ORGANIZATION which, though it does big things badly, does small things badly too.“ – John Kenneth Galbraith THE MYTH OF THE APPLE OF DISCORD

    „Surrealism aims at the total transformation of the mind and all that resembles it“ -Breton

    “ This book is a mirror. When a monkey looks in, no apostle looks out.“
    -Lichtenberg

    The Hell Law says that Hell is reserved exclusively for them that believe in it.

    „I should have been a plumber.“ – Albert Einstein

    i am not attracted by the thought of conspiracies. but this text holds truth in it. that`s why i posted it…

    i will definately let you know when i discover something about it.

    3. Dezember 2003 um 22:37 #591 Antwort

    Anonym

    Ok, I see,
    you have got a point there, or should I rather say some points.
    In this short time you found cool passages.

    Now I can believe in the use of the book to our research.
    I am sure you will find what you are looking for.

    With respect and greetings
    your Burgy

    5. Dezember 2003 um 15:23 #593 Antwort

    edwinmesser123
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    one of the first sentences of the principia discordia is:

    >>You hold in your hands one of the Great Books of our century fnord< <. i typed fnord into google and came to http://www.fnord.org

    i cannot globalize my impressions there and express it in one word or sentence. there are definately things which do astoun me. especially the event section in the photogallery

    http://fnord.org/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=events

    there is incredible artwork to see.

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